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Benson

So its chemical name is 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol which means almost nothing to me although I recognized that it methylated...it appears to be an effective oral anabolic agent at fairly modest doses....but what the heck is it really? Is it indeed a methylated natural pheromone of some sort rather than a synthetic androgen?

In short, what the heck is this stuff really?
Ras
QUOTE(Benson @ Aug 11 2006, 04:31 PM) *

So its chemical name is 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol which means almost nothing to me although I recognized that it methylated...it appears to be an effective oral anabolic agent at fairly modest doses....but what the heck is it really? Is it indeed a methylated natural pheromone of some sort rather than a synthetic androgen?

In short, what the heck is this stuff really?


Etioallocholane and etiocholane are 5a-Androstane and 5b-Androstane, respectively. They can be synthesized directly from androsterone, I believe. Androsterone is a weak androgen and a pheromone. Madol is a methylated androgen, but one with distinct pheromone-like properties.
Benson
QUOTE(Ras @ Aug 11 2006, 08:09 PM) *

Etioallocholane and etiocholane are 5a-Androstane and 5b-Androstane, respectively.


Danke. Makes more sense now.
gammahydroxy
It’s methylated elephant ball sweat i think....Very Similar to ergomax LMG...
RepubCarrier
this is DMT ('the clear') with the contaminated 3-ene isomer removed from the mix.
Stay Puft
Superdrol got all the love, but if I recall correctly, wasn't it PP that was equally (if not moreso) effective with a more begnine side effect profile?
Benson
QUOTE(RepubCarrier @ Aug 13 2006, 02:48 PM) *

this is DMT ('the clear') with the contaminated 3-ene isomer removed from the mix.


PP is a "clear" derivative?
RepubCarrier
QUOTE(Benson @ Aug 13 2006, 05:58 PM) *

PP is a "clear" derivative?


It is EXACTLY the 'clear'... which makes you wonder how stupid these people (ALRI/ALR namely) were to release it when the whole BALCO thing was hot in the media.

As for Stay Puft's comments, he is absolutely correct. PP results in more strength, size, and has far fewer side effects in terms of mood, gynecomastia, and libido than superdrol does. Some argue that SD increases strength more, but I did not experience that and don't think there's any widespread anecdotal evidence for that. SD also increases hardness/vascularity better than ergomax according to mass anecdote.
djremix
QUOTE(RepubCarrier @ Aug 14 2006, 08:17 AM) *

It is EXACTLY the 'clear'... which makes you wonder how stupid these people (ALRI/ALR namely) were to release it when the whole BALCO thing was hot in the media.

As for Stay Puft's comments, he is absolutely correct. PP results in more strength, size, and has far fewer side effects in terms of mood, gynecomastia, and libido than superdrol does. Some argue that SD increases strength more, but I did not experience that and don't think there's any widespread anecdotal evidence for that. SD also increases hardness/vascularity better than ergomax according to mass anecdote.


for me SD worked twice as well.

even on my 6 week cycle, when i switched to SD week 4, i immediatly felt better effects.

SD = wub.gif
1-test(<10 days) = cool.gif
1-test(>10 days) = ohmy.gif
PP = smile.gif

"clear" ? :-)
Stay Puft
QUOTE(djremix @ Aug 16 2006, 10:26 AM) *

for me SD worked twice as well.

even on my 6 week cycle, when i switched to SD week 4, i immediatly felt better effects.

SD = wub.gif
1-test(<10 days) = cool.gif
1-test(>10 days) = ohmy.gif
PP = smile.gif

"clear" ? :-)


Cute rating system. 1-T or M1T?
omnibus
QUOTE(RepubCarrier @ Aug 13 2006, 09:17 PM) *

It is EXACTLY the 'clear'... which makes you wonder how stupid these people (ALRI/ALR namely) were to release it when the whole BALCO thing was hot in the media.


Was the Madol connected to BALCO though? Didn't it show up after the whole THG (which I thought was the "clear") scandal?
RepubCarrier
QUOTE(omnibus @ Aug 17 2006, 05:12 PM) *

Was the Madol connected to BALCO though? Didn't it show up after the whole THG (which I thought was the "clear") scandal?


Madol was another steroid given to BALCO and which was given to some/most? athletes in addition to THG and the test/epi-test cream. You're right that THG is 'the clear', I'm not sure why I said that above...

As for Madol's subjective effects... it's good for 10-15lbs of weight in the first two weeks of use at 20-30mg ED, much like other oral steroids, along with huge increases in strength. libido and mood do not suffer too much. I would guess that this is somewhat on par with dianabol (disclaimer: I've never used d-bol, this is just based on a comparison of subjective results of other people).
Benson
Okay, just so I am clear (no pun intended)

Pheraplex= desoxymethyltestosterone aka DMT aka Madol

"the clear" = Tetrahydrogestrinone aka THG

Stay Puft
QUOTE(Benson @ Aug 19 2006, 10:31 PM) *

Okay, just so I am clear (no pun intended)

Pheraplex= desoxymethyltestosterone aka DMT aka Madol

"the clear" = Tetrahydrogestrinone aka THG


I can verify this according to my understanding.
djremix
QUOTE(Stay Puft @ Aug 16 2006, 07:14 PM) *

Cute rating system. 1-T or M1T?



m1t ofcourse. hence the ugliness after 10 days...
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